From owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Sat Jan 27 10:51:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [216.34.245.2]) by cluebot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12364104F3 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01840 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01822 for cypherpunks@infonex.com; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyberpass.net (cyberpass.net [216.34.245.3]) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01816 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by cyberpass.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02992 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from jy01 (user-2inigk1.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.66.129]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20079 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:33:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200101271533.KAA20079@hall.mail.mindspring.net> X-Sender: jya@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:25:08 -0500 To: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net From: John Young Subject: Re: CDR: Re: Bell Grand Jury In-Reply-To: References: <200101271249.HAA20426@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Precedence: first-class Reply-To: John Young X-List: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net X-Loop: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Status: RO Content-Length: 1537 Lines: 42 Choate wrote: >How the wind changes... The point, hardhead, is to keep communications public. Private stuff can be leveraged into a subpoena. Not your own private stuff, somebody else's. Like your CDR rat. I handed my subpoenaed material (public messages to cpunks and the HTML subpoena on Cryptome) to the grand jury foreman after being told by London that it was an informal procedure to give subpoenaed material to him or Capt. Jeff Gordon, the "case's lead investigator." Robb didn't know what was in the package during his questioning, nor did the grand jury. I referred to the material several times to buttress my testimony, and only near the end did Robb say, "are you saying you only provided public information?" That's right, I answered. And I told him and Jeff beforehand I wanted to publish my testimony, and told the jury I intended to report on the process: To help the public understand how government works, especially the secret part. One juror said, you're not going to publish our names are you? Robb hastened to testify, no way. Anyway, this could be a pack of lies, and more filthy secrets about how government works, and how you get snared by artful bargains for personal protection and national security, on the jury and off, by folks who preach that faith. Which comes back to the CDR forehead mark. And how you get pariahed by contact with the feds no matter what you do obey their commands or to wash away the dirt. They're addicted to that secret sadistic pleasure, and aim to addict juries.